We will blogging about the Federal Vision discussion in this space as it happens.
1:40 - Considering ammendment to SJC rules about making judicial briefs available to GA delegates so that they can understand the context of judicial cases. "new business" suggested by David Coffin. New Business was accepted.
1:44 - Ridge Haven Conference Center Report
1:51 - Report of cooperative ministries committee
1:53 - Singing a Hymn
1:54 - Streaker just ran by the camera (kidding - just checking you're awake)
1:57 - Paul Fowler presents the report, opens with prayer.
2:00 - Fowler introduces the committee members, calling it a "diverse" committee to which all the members contributed. He says, "This is a debate about what constitutes the fundmentals of our system of doctrine."
2:16 - Ligon Duncan defends the substance of the report, counters some common criticisms, including asking that the process objections be set aside in favor of the content
2:18 - Sean Lucas now defends the 9 declarations, characterizing them as relating to "fixed points" of doctrine vital to the standards.
2:30 - John White now presents the recommendations of the committee report and defends a focus on the standards.
2:43 - Discussion begins with George Robertson speaking for the report
2:45 - Speech against the report on the grounds that it does not exegete scripture - speaker is Larry Hoop
2:48 - Motion by Joe Novenson to delay the report for a year, add exegesis, add indications of the positive contributions of NPP, add 2 additional members who are sympathetic to NPP / FV
2:53 - John Day speaks in favor of the motion to delay
2:54 - Jeff Hutchinson speaks against motion to postpone, focuses upon other NAPARC denominations that have spoken to the issue already
2:56 - Paul Gilchrist speaks in favor of the motion to delay, based upon lack of scriptural exegesis - compares the report to the emperor who has no clothes - the report needs the clothes of exegesis.
3:02 (Missed a few back and forth) - now there is someone from GA speaking against the motion, defending the confessional focus of the report.
3:04 - Substitute motion to receive report yet allow the committee to add scripture proofs during the assembly - not allowed.
3:06 - Howard Q. Davis - speaks for the motion in order to heal perception of unfairness.
3:07 - Dewey Roberts - speaks against the substitute - calls it a "smokescreen" that the FV / NPP claims they are not fairly understood. Issue "is the most important decision we've ever had to make because it deals with the matter of justification by faith." Says "this error is insidious."
3:10 - David Cassidy - in favor of Novenson substitute motion
3:11 - Steve McGee - speaks against the motion, says body can affirm the existing report and then commission another report about biblical issues
3:13 - Jeff White - speaks for the motion, notes agreement with 9 declarations, but would like a more charitable report to aid peace and unity of church.
3:15 - Ken Clarke (sp?) - Speaks against the motion, calls this the "tip of the iceberg" and says urgency exists
3:16 - Joe Mullin - speaks in favor of the motion, appreciates the idea of bringing exegesis of scripture into the report in order to "undergird" it.
3:17 - R.C. Sproul - focuses upon justification, imputation speaks against the motion, the "purity of the PCA" is at stake. "This is the gospel that we're talking about, gentlemen." Motion is like "asking the accused to become members of the jury."
3:19 - Craig Higgins speaks in favor of the motion - quotes Schaefer about not "choosing between an orthodoxy of doctrine and an orthodoxy of community".
3:22 - Wes Holland - speaks against the motion. Urgency is needed, churches are being divided.
3:24 - Harry Long rises to make motion to address the first four committee recommendations by vote and give them time to "address the emperor" before ruling on the 5th recommendation. Motion is out of order.
3:26 - DeGraaf - "there are men standing at microphones .... not being recognized ... in the order" etc. Moderator explains balancing the for / against.
3:28 - Andrew Voelkel speaks in favor of motion - report does not provide Presbyteries any guidance on how to oppose FV - such as suggested study questions
3:30 - David Coffin - speaks against procedural motion - believes standards are sufficient, further exegesis is not needed, is "dubious" that there can be any credible expressions of "good things" that the NPP has to offer, finally argues against sympathetic members - uses analogy of inclusion of Arian on committee dealing with deity of Christ.
3:34 - Debate not extended. Motion to postpone going up for vote.
3:35 - Paul Fowler speaks to defend the report and advocates against the motion, pointing to the committee's faithfulness to its mandate.
3:37 - Vote on the motion with cards: prayer prior to vote. Motion to postpone: fails.
3:39 - back to main motion
3:40 - Tom Cox defers time to Microphone 10 - Dave Sarfolian Great Lakes Presbytery - speaks in favor of the study committee report to address allegations of the report's being railroaded through. Mentions Missouri Presbytery report as a previously rejected consensus report.
3:41 - Question whether the committee contacted FV men; response from Fowler is "no"; committee decided not to engage the FV until after the report, then after report's completion decided that further engagement not necessary. Defends focusing on written sources. Mentions reading blogs as well.
3:44 - Time expired, debate is not extended.
3:45 - Committee Report accepted by card vote. All rise to sing a hymn.
3:49 - Administrative Committee Report presented. We will cease liveblogging at this point for a moment in order to take a break.
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